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  My Explanation of God.

  by LAWHFol in

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  i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.

  this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.

  gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.

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  LAWHFol: Not all Men have the Same Conscience, they still have a Conscience though.

  so·ci·o·path

  ˈsōsēōˌpaTH/

  noun

  1. a person with a personality disorder manifesting itself in extreme antisocial attitudes and behavior and a lack of conscience.

     
     

     
     

     
     
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  My Explanation of God.

  by LAWHFol in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am a theist & this is my version of god.. instead of using the term god, i'll use "unseen presence".. this unseen presence, is perfect in every way.

  this presence is so perfect it can seem a bit boring.this perfection can be seen in the laws of science, for example gravity.. it does not sometimes work, depending on the mood of some one in the sky, it always works, perfectly.

  gravity does not get angry and decide to stop working, and cause the death of innumerable living beings, it just works, through thick or thin, it is reliable.. what allows this unseen presence to remain perfect, is the fact that it does not act based on emotion, or strategy or regret.. it acts based on law, mathematical law.. this unseen presence is not partial to jews or muslims or jw's it is completely impartial at all times, to everything that exists.

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  LAWHFol : This is My version of God.

  Thanks for your opinion.
  

  *sets your opinion next to the billions of other vague "I'm right, I'm special... listen to me" opinions*

  
  
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  I'm a cynical, sarcastic and curmudgeonly old bastard most of the time.

  by nicolaou in

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  2. experiences

  but as i move into my early 50's i find i'm more and more comfortable in my thick, leathery hide.. please get it into your thick skull's that i don't insult or make snarky comments with the intent of hurting anyone's feelings.

  that being said, if your precious feelings are hurt it's probably your fault for being a prissy, over sensitive drama queen who can't defend his argument.. i do actually love you all, it's just that most of the time you spineless pussies really get on my nerves!.

  good god i feel better for that!

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  Being offended is in style.

  Having mental, emotional, & personal issues are the current fashion. If a person doesn't have some personal drama, they will manufacture something just to be part of the group.

  When a person points out the obvious, without the stylish personal disorders, it offends the fashionable.

  Sanity & simplicity are out of style.

  Nicoaou, you're just avant garde.
  
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  A question about fading....

  by Tornintwo in

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  i understand that many on this forum are undertaking a slow fade, over months, years even.. can i ask what is the benefit of that instead of a fast fade?.

  as i understand it, the elders only have to deal judicially with people who are still active witnesses, known in the community as witnesses, having contact and influence with witnesses etc.

  so surely the sooner you stop attending meetings the better.

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  The key to a good fade is not talking about your doubts, not acting disgruntled, and not openly adopting some other belief system (religious, political, spiritual, philosophy, or conspiratorial).

  Whether you're fading fast or slow, just always smile, be positive, and act excited to see every JW you see while hinting at (but not directly stating) you're dealing with depression or health problems.

  Whatever you do, never say anything negative about the organization, the elders, the GB, any other Witness, or your own personal experiences.

  Remember the Miranda Rights, "You have the right to remain silent, anything you say can and will be used against you..."

  Don't give them any weapons to use against you & they will lose interest.
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  Do I count my time for this?

  by username in

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  http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2101981.

  on page four you will see the active witness, its unmistakable by the lack of any structure in this persons post.. my username is mebiscuit, i decided to reply to the active witness post ;) .

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  When someone is reduced to using Freemasons in their argument against the JWs, they have nothing to say.

  ...not to mention falling orbs from the sky.
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  Astral Projection

  by Black Man in

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  so what are your thoughts on astral projection?

  have a co-worker who claims to know how to induce this on himself.

  is he crazy?

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  When I was really into spirituality, I spent a lot of time with dozens of professional psychics, astral travelers, mediums, etc. I really wanted it all to be true & really got into the lifestyle.

  While most were sincere, they never really said or knew anything beyond guessing and imagination. Most just want to believe and really loved the attention they receive from claiming special abilities. When they were obviously wrong, they would either cover up the error with "it happened energetically," ignore the mistake, or blame someone else.

  It was no different than playing make-believe & then surrounding yourself with those playing the same game so you weren't challenged. I lost interest when I realized they might as well have been elders. It was the same mentality, the same psychology, the same politics, and often the same words.

  Out of the hundreds I was around, I never met a real astral traveler, medium, or psychic. They're just people trying to be special. Delusion, emotional problems, mental illness, and frauds are all that you can expect.
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  We talk a lot about conditional friends on here

  by cappytan in

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  so, when people post about being shunned by their friends, i've heard several posters say things like, "their friendship is conditional.

  real friendships aren't conditional.".

  i'm sorry, but that just isn't really true.. if you and i were friends, there are conditions.

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  If you care about other people, all your love & friendship will be conditional. My friendship is based on me observing, identifying, & appreciating the other person based on their personality, not about how I wish to see them.

  Unconditional friendship requires you not acknowledge the other person's personality and behavior at all. Since you're refusing to see them for who they are, on what is your "friendship" based? Your friendship cannot be based the person in front of you. You have ignored that person entirely and replaced them with your own wishful thinking about people in general.

  Unconditional friendship is no more than narcissism. What you want to believe is more important than the actual person.

  If someone calls me a friend based on their generic opinions of all people, while completely ignoring me as I am, they can keep it. That kind of friendship sounds terribly empty & one-sided. If they're indifferent to my personality and refuse to distinguish me from any other random person, how can you call me friend? I would just be another blank space for them to project their own beliefs upon.

  When I noticed that all my JW friends never took other's personality & individuality into consideration in the relationship, I realized I never had any true JW friends.
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  What are the things that wake people up from the Watchtower Corporation?

  by punkofnice in

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  when i became an elder i saw the dark side.

  a side i previously believed couldn't possibly exist in the one true religion of the happiest people on earth.. then they rolled out 'overlapping generations(tm)' and that was the last straw.. all my life i had doubts but surpressed them thinking i was at fault and not the cult leaders.. it seems more likely that now the governing body are parading around like popes, wearing their expensive jewellery, that this will nauseate even dyed in the wool jws.. i wonder if the wake up can be condensed into main categories?.

  1. experiencing the cruel handling of matters by the wbt$ reps.. 2. crazy doctrine (eg.

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  punkofnice - What are the things that wake people up from the Watchtower Corporation?"

  Really, there is only one thing that makes anyone wake up from delusion: personal honesty.

  All the beliefs & teachings are just smoke & mirrors designed to help the person remain dishonest & feeling special, while also remaining socially acceptable (or socially rebellious if that serves their goals).
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  after 2 years, getting the courage to read COC. but is is still really relevant?

  by nowwhat? in

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  if so why?

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  Read the book & decide if its relevant for yourself.

  If it has taken you 2 years to get enough courage to read a book & you still need help, you're clearly not ready to be free from someone telling you what to think, believe, and feel.

  When you are emotionally ready, you will be able to read books on your own without support.
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  Why do religious people make claims and then refuse to back them up?

  by Viviane in

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  2. beliefs

  several times over the past few months i have had conversations, both here and in real life, with religious people making all sorts of interesting and conflicting claims.

  i like to know how things work, so generally i will ask questions to net out what i am being told and see if it can be explained and make sense.. for instance, if someone said 2+2=4 and i asked how, there are a variety of ways that could be shown to me, a number line, physical objects being put together, counting on fingers and toes, etc.

  indeed, in my personal life, i often have to explain how certain technologies work, sometimes planned, sometimes off the cuff, from a variety of group sizes to a varying degree of technical expertise.

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  Viviane: For instance, if someone said 2+2=4...
  Why can't religious people simply say "I don't know"? What is wrong with that level of honesty?

  Most people consider themselves honest as long as they refuse to acknowledge they're lying. Its the admission of being wrong that they consider dishonest.

  In the same way, as long as they never admit they're being cruel, they consider themselves loving.